We can just go. We'll just see what happens. OK. So I'm thinking about this liberation narrative for people because-- it's hard to think about liberation and what liberation is and what it looks like because I don't know if we have a clear understanding of what liberation-- because we always equate it to freedom. And it's like this thing that we attain. And once we attain it, it's done. But, I think, liberation's a little bit more than that. I think we keep moving toward liberation. I think liberation is something that is always being created and always like something-- liberation is truly like the freedom to not only have freedom but to continue to speak truth in a way that allows us freedom, right? And so I think about this exhibit in that way of like this is a first step for many people and sometimes this is a middle step. And who knows where any of us are in this process when we think about how our narratives and how we've been constructed as humans, how we have grown into spaces. For me a black woman to be at an institution like this. I remember coming into NC State and not feeling like I belonged, like I was not supposed to be a part of this institution, not supposed to be a part of a doctoral program, not finding community. One of the first things my advisor said is, find your people. And I was like, what the fuck? Do you know how hard it is to find your people, especially as an introvert? I don't talk to people. And so to be able to think about what that means as someone who grew up really shy, then introverted, and has a host of marginalized identities, I always list them all out. Kind of like Audrey does. You know, fat, black, queer, woman at an institution like this that does not is not built to suit someone like me. Well, I'm a freshman here too. So at first when I got here-- even right now I feel like it's like a lot of clicks. And when I first got here, I was like, oh no. I don't know who I'm going to be able to talk to. And my school is pretty diverse too, but this is way more diverse than what I thought it would be. So now I'm also introvert, but I feel like around people that I'm comfortable with that I'm somewhat of extrovert. But I'm not comfortable around anyone yet to even show that side. What would comfort look like for you? I'm very silly. I also talk a lot about stuff that I like when I'm comfortable with someone. And I don't know. So you're able to show up as yourself. Yeah. Comfort looks like showing up as Jerrica in a space that allows you to be silly, to share the things that you care about, to share the things that you like. I think that's what a lot of us want. And, I think, sometimes we have to just create that space, like the women of color retreat. That centered completely around showing up taking space claiming space everywhere you go. Because you pay a whole hell of a lot of money to be at this institution. And as much money as we spend to be here, to be students here, and then also not including the things that we invest in, you better damn sure treat it like home because this is where you're going to be for the next four years. And ain't nobody going to give it to you. So part of it is, you have to be able to take that space for yourself. And so we talk about that a lot at the women of color retreat. But I think about that in terms of what you were just saying. You just want to show up as you are, and feel comfortable in that, and feel like you're going to be accepted. And I think that's what a lot of students are looking for. And that's, hopefully, what we create space for, but sometimes you also got to just take it. You just got to step out there and faith and say, you know what? I'm a just show up as Jerrica today. And that's what I started doing. The first year was really hard. The second year I found more community, because I started working in the Women's Center. And I started there as a GA. And as a GA-- well, you know I'm an older student. So I'm not your typical aged doctoral student. But I have already worked and counseled and all that stuff. And so, I was in a better place. But I can't imagine coming into that as a first year student, and not having the experiences that I had, to come into a second year and start to be able to find community, although my community was not in my program, my academic program. My community was in places like the counseling department, or in psychology, like community psych, or it was in the community centers. Because these are people who were doing work that was very much centered and focused on the stuff that I was doing. They were about liberation of all people. And they were taking this intersectionality framework and really using it in the intended way to interrogate the gaps so that we can get free and stay free and continue to critique, and challenge, and question. And when doing that we were taking up space, space that's not intended for us to take up. And so part of that is like, how would you do that? You already created a whole video. You created a whole video and talked about this. So what does that even mean for you? How can you do that? How do you challenge yourself? That's what I still have trouble with. I feel like sometimes-- I don't know. Sometimes I feel like I'm like lost. But I don't really talk about that too much, as much as I should. I kind of just go with the flow. And I've have been doing that for so long that I don't even know. It's like I know what I want but then I don't. And then it's like I don't know how to express what I want, if I don't know what I want but then I think I do. So it's really confusing. Like in terms of me understanding myself, I still don't know. I don't know what is going on with me. What if you just tried it? What's the worst that can happen? Say you came into the Women's Center and you just made a joke. You just said the silly thing that came to mind. What's the worst that could happen? Everyone look at me like I'm crazy. And then what? I guess that's it. I mean-- What if one person laughs? That person could be your person. But you would never know because you didn't show up. Maybe that person was having the same thought as you. You ain't gone find your path in your first year, girl. I know. But you can start to create it. So I think I'm just so used to being in my comfort zone that I'm not-- I'm just scared to get out of it. That's a real thing. Yeah. I just really feel scared of not being accepted. Even though I don't care about being accepted. But I still feel fear of judgement. And that's just from my own personal insecurities from over the years. But I'm starting to come to terms with everyone is not going to like what I say or what I do. So I should just start saying it and doing it. It's a process though. And sometimes you've got to take it at your own pace. I think we all come to a place of being afraid of judgment. I do that all the day-- like all day every day, because everything that we do, especially is people of color, we have to be afraid of how it's going to be perceived. If I wear my hair a certain way, if I paint my nails a certain color, if they're all different rainbow colors versus just one solid like blue, there's always perceptions about what that means. Because the world has this one story of us that's not congruent with our identity, of who we are, and how we want to be, how we want to express ourselves in authentic ways. But if we never refute that narrative, if we never say, this is who I actually am. If I just let you assume because I like to have three different colors on my fingernails that, that means that I must be ratchet and uneducated and all these other things. Never mind the fact that I just like shiny things. Then if I never refute that narrative then I also perpetuate a culture that is never going to be held accountable for thinking, and for systems, and for practices, that further stigmatize not just me but also people who look like me and also people who look like them. Unless we're all free none of us are free. And that's important for us to recognize in the liberatory practice, is that liberation is really for all, because everybody-- Some people think that they hold power, and in this power, there's only one source of it, and they have it. We all have power. We're all empowered. We just don't use it in the same way. And so part of that is just telling our story, and just showing up, and being who we are. And that's hard, and it's going to be challenging. And we might fear rejection. And that rejection may actually happen because this is-- the world is not always a safe place. And we just have to be cognizant of who we share ourselves with and make sure we're sharing ourselves with people who value us, and who look like us, and who love us. So what do you want to see? What would your liberatory world look like? Everyone being themselves without fear and judgment. And [INAUDIBLE] I think that sums it up because even within that it's like they can dress however they want. They can wear their hair however they want. They can look however they weren't. They can like whoever they want. So I think that's what mine would look like. That sounds beautiful. Thank you. I want to live your world. I wish I could live in mine too. But you can. But you can.