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Well I worked with the student senate when I first came,

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so that would have been '79, and then I started to be advisor to the student body president in 1984

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when I became the interim director and then the director of student development.

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The senate role was attending their meetings

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that last till 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning

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Yes, and I think they've gotten a little better at not going quite so late.

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But then when I became director of student development

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the assistant director became the senate advisor and then I started working with the student body president

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and worked very closely with that person up until my retirement,

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and just met an incredible, wonderful, diverse array of student body presidents

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and it's terrific for me that the library has put some energy into putting their names and their histories online.

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So they're really an extraordinary group of young people,

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and the fact that our student body president has a vote and a seat on the board of trustees is a really, really big deal,

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so they're having some experiences that I think are really remarkable from a policy-making point of view,

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the fact that they've got a vote. They've got a vote on tuition and fees and whether or not to hire an athletic coach,

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whether or not to fire an athletic coach; I mean they're really behind the scenes with the vote on really big decisions that impact NC State and life here.