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But then what I said about Dr. Stafford at his retirement ceremony, which was really kind of special to me, is that when I met him,

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I said I kind of felt like Dr. Stafford, I liked him, because he treated me special and he made me feel like I was special,

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but then as I got to know him over the years I saw that he wasn't treating me special, that he treated everybody like that.

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So just for all of his years of service to the university and to those cadets at North Carolina State that went on to become officers,

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not only in the Army but in the Air Force, Navy, and Marines, it's just a small token of our appreciation for what he's done for all those different people out there. So I thought he was more than deserving of that honor.