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But I learned a lot too from the adult leadership at the university.

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As student body president I met every week with the chancellor, the president of the faculty senate, and myself, three of us,

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and I learned a lot about the issues that the university was facing, why they tried to do certain things, why they couldn't do certain things that we students wanted.

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I learned about team leadership, how you have to work together to get things done.

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I recall being student body president when NC State was put on probation by the NCAA for basketball recruiting violations.

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That was one of the toughest times in the history of the university.

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We recruited a student named Jackie Moreland from Louisiana who was a great basketball player.

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Unfortunately we also offered a scholarship to his girlfriend

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that we were going to pay for, not exactly within the rules.

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Another occasion, I think another year, perhaps the year before that, and for that violation they almost threatened to kick us out of the NCAA.

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Not just put us on probation, throw us out.

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I think it was the year before that that we had recruiting violations, and I think all five players that we recruited, probably all from Indiana,

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they told us we couldn't take any of them because we'd violated the rules of recruiting. It was tough. State was maybe the best basketball program in America,

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but boy, we were aggressive in trying to get the best players and we violated plenty of rules. Now we have maybe the cleanest program. [Laughs]