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Well, it was just great, because - and again, you take a look at the illustrious alumni of NC State,

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alumni of NC State, a guy that instantly comes to mind: Roy H. Park.

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Roy Park, as a young guy hired out of NC State with Proctor and Gamble, had the brainstorm of going to-.

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See, there really was a real Duncan Hines. He did the travel guides. So Roy Park went to Duncan Hines and said, "Mr. Hines, would you be willing to give us the rights to put your name on cake mixes?"

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So Roy Park, with Proctor and Gamble, started the whole Duncan Hines line, and then he got into broadcast ownership,

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and at that point in time, in the pre-deregulated days, Roy Park, as a sole proprietor for Park Broadcasting,

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I believe owned the legal limit of radio stations, television stations, and newspapers that an individual was able to own,

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and occasionally I'd talk to him about the business.