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I'm from Gaston County, a little place called Dallas.

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I wanted to go to college, those were the years of the Depression, 1936 and '37,

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and there was a Baptist minister there that said maybe we can get you a scholarship to Wake Forest.

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That happened, it was a fifty dollar scholarship,

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and that's the way I got started to college.

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My father was in the textile business

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and I knew that was inevitable.

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I was the oldest child of four brothers in the family.

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So in 1938 I moved over to Professor L.E. Hinkle's house

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on Park Drive-I couldn't get in the dormitory-

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and met up with three wonderful guys, Bob Furman,

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who later became the chief pilot for American Airlines, flying transcontinental flights,

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"Winks" Simpson, who bought the Nansemond Hotel in Virginia Beach and became a big operator,

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and Doug Allison, who is there in Raleigh, working in humanities and working for the state.

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So we had a wonderful time with the Hinkles; they were just delightful people.

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He taught German and I'd had one year of German so we practiced guttural sound.

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That's all the German I could remember. [Laughs]

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So that's my background.