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I was involved in the engineers' council.  I think I did hold an office there,

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but a lot of that was making sure that interesting programs came in to expose people, and I mean I needed that as much as anybody.

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I came from a farm community, I'd never seen a chemical plant,

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I didn't know what I didn't know, if you will.

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So those programs were very important in enlightening the students [as to] this is the kind of thing you're going to be looking at.

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This speaker, here's the man that runs the engineering department in that company, so an excellent opportunity to get an early view of what's out there, where are we going and some idea of what it is.