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NC State is a special place.

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this process of how you think to solve a problem,

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you know they say you come out of law school with a way of thinking,

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you come out of engineering school with a way of thinking,

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for the School of Design it's not a linear process;

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it's kind of a creative process, which really causes you to

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kind of mentally throw on the wall, what are all the options,

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what's dictating an option,

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how do you cross over this hurdle,

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and how do you get a successful outcome,

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I wouldn't have gotten any of that.

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I'm not saying I couldn't have gone to another school of architecture somewhere,

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I'm not trying to say-but I'm just saying in my case it's NC State.

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And so, you know, we all owe a lot to NC State.