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Well one of the reasons I mentioned the paper mill is that

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my undergraduate major here was in pulp and paper,

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the science and technology of pulp and paper chemistry,

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and that program had a very nice scholarship associated with it,

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so by virtue of my having the experience with a paper company in my hometown

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I had maybe a little different impression or opinion of the paper industry in a lot of respects

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so it was easier to recruit someone like me who already knew about the industry.

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I had a good friend who was a year ahead of me

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who had gone through that program-who was in the program,

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at the time that I came here and then another gentleman that I knew

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that was older that had gone through the program,

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so I knew good things about it and I had heard good things about NC State

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and that interested me.

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Otherwise the alternatives would have been to probably go to the University of Florida

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and major in something like political science or something like that,

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is what I was thinking about, but I was intrigued with the prospect of being able to go out of state

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and to try something more in the science area,

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so it was something that appealed to me as something to try,

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and I was actually able to graduate, [Laughs]

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despite some challenges in between.